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Friday, March 24, 2006

Prince of Tides

I guess that is the book you were reading for your book club. I read it in my Southern Writers' class. I liked it better than the movie, but there were parts that strained believability-like the thing with the tiger in the cage. In the movie, the older brother shot the escaped convicts with a gun. In the book, he pushed this tiger in a cage up to the door and sprung it on them.

My theory was that everyone in the family was nuts and, due to the sexual and emotional abuse-even the narrator/brother. So, even though he was the "well-adjusted" one, his memory was clouded by the trauma of being raped. Therefore, much of the story he was told was filled with a mixture of fact with delusion. My understanding is that a child who has suffered such abuse often surpresses the memory and it resurfaces as metaphor. So the narrator/brother isn't especially reliable as a source of information.

I'm not sure that my professor bought my argument. But it was a good class.

11 Comments:

  • At 1:18 AM, Blogger vivage said…

    Yep, that was the book. Yeah, the tiger that they could somehow feed yet not always feed themselves strained the believability factor for me. Also, that the tiger got all three bad guys but got back into the cage w/o harming anyone else...when it was wounded.

    I can go w/ your theory but I truly felt the author could have done with fewer horrible situations, in one family (in a relatively short time). Evidently the sister was overcome with emotional/physical abuse from a really young age, there wasn't really a need to do the whole rape scene: she was already psychotic. Which also seems pretty implausable that she could hide her psychotic episodes as well as she did.

    Why was your class studying that book? Because it was set in the south? Because it represents southerners? Because the author might be a southerner?

     
  • At 1:19 AM, Blogger vivage said…

    oh and btw, I never saw the movie. It might be interesting to see what they cut.

     
  • At 1:22 AM, Blogger vivage said…

    Oh yeah and there is one hole in your theory. The tapes recorded by the sister...which he told colloborating stories that the sister was able to hear from the tapes the therapist. That she was somewhat healed by the end of the book indicates to me that he was verifying all of her visions.

     
  • At 11:57 AM, Blogger Brother Atom Bomb of Reflection said…

    It's been awhile since I've read the book. That might be a hole, except that we hear the story from only the brothers POV, which means the whole thing might be tainted.

    Yeah, Pat Conroy is a southern writer. He was also a friend of the professor apparently, who himself was a southerner.

    In the movie, the tiger is just a brief refernce point in the father's attempt to drum up business for his gas station.

    Conroy writes from his family's experiences. As far as I remember, the real-life sister eventually did kill herself.

    Another book we read was THE MOVIEGOER by Walker Percy. That might be good selection for your group.

     
  • At 12:03 PM, Blogger Brother Atom Bomb of Reflection said…

    Also, Wise Blood by Flannery O'Conner, if you want to read something that will leave you feeling a little bit yucky. I think it's in the anthology, Everything that Rises Must Converge.

     
  • At 7:01 PM, Blogger vivage said…

    Jody thought it might be somewhat autobiographical. I wonder how much of it was?

    She did mention, more than a few times thats how southerners are as she comes from redneck stock (her words, not mine).

    Yes, and I agree with the one POV thing. I really wanted to know the mom's POV because she was such the bad guy throughout. I also wanted to know the sisters POV without the bro's chronical of it.

    Hmmm, feeling yucky, not sure I want to go there. And is the yucky feeling because of the same kind of things I complained in this book? Or material?

     
  • At 11:49 PM, Blogger Brother Atom Bomb of Reflection said…

    O'Conner often dealt with our darker natures. I don't know if you have ever read any of her stuff. This novel deals with a fallen preacher who starts the Church of the Risne Christ without Christ, or something like that. Her characters are ofen corrupt evangelicals.

    I meant yucky as in you might like it.

    Where the hell are all the other discussers?

     
  • At 12:57 AM, Blogger vivage said…

    I don't know why most everyone (including my own hub!) didn't accept the invite. I know some people (like Susan) rarely responds to emails, and might also have just deleted it or maybe it went into Bulk mail or something.

    do you remember what name was on the invite? vo or vivage?

    No participation is one of the reasons I haven't really posted any threads since the first two or so.

     
  • At 9:36 AM, Blogger Jim said…

    BABOR asked "Where the hell are all the other discussers?"

    I for one am lurking. I accepted Viv's invite and have been keeping up with the blog in case I can contribute, and to see what folks feel about books, but I haven't read a fiction book in at least a year, and I'm not sure that I will this year. As my eyesight deteriorates, I find reading more and more onerous, and right now in my life I just don't need additional complexity, even if it's fictional.

    I also suspect I'm not anywhere near the literary level of the people who post; my fiction of choice has been light reading for diversion, mostly science fiction short stories. I haven't read any books by the authors that have been discussed here so far, and I didn't see the movie for "PoT". So I'm not sure I could contribute much that would rise above amusing. For example, the comments about suppressed abuse in "Prince of Tides" reminds me of Pete Townshend of "The Who" claiming that he'd been abused as a child, and only recently through therapy became aware of that experience, and that "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" may have come from that abuse. A rock reference is the best I can do on "Prince of Tides"...

     
  • At 1:19 PM, Blogger vivage said…

    Jim,
    I'm a huge reader of sci-fi and fantasy. It's my poison of choice.

    Ah, why don't you get glasses? It makes reading so much easier.

    Even the inexpensive readers make a difference. And best of all you can usually get them at the Dollar Store for a dollar!

     
  • At 9:13 AM, Blogger Jim said…

    Viv,

    Thanks for the suggestion.
    I do read with cheap Dean Edell glasses, but my informal reading position of habit and choice has been lying in bed, and the glasses are kinda incompatible with the pillow. (This all started around first grade, when I asked my family when they read and my brother suggested reading in bed to fall asleep, which I did for most of my life after that.)

    So, I could sit and read somewhere, but I haven't got that habit (yet).

    I'll post a list of some of my fave sci-fi.

     

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